Javier is right of course - it is an attack on all religions. I look forward to the entire campaign being abandoned with maximum ignominy at the first whiff of a complaint from the 'Muslim community'. Islam - a religion with clout.
Why the pity? Unless you agree that the Catholic church in Spain should be able to censor free speech, doesn't it just expose how much power they still wield in a supposedly secular and multi-faith society? Why should anyone who believes in fantasies such as a virgin birth be able to dictate what others can or can't say?
i wish they'd just explain why i should enjoy life - that makes no sense to me at all. Damn atheists.
Your word verification today is HOOTNESS. From now on i shall refer to Mr Appleyard as 'his Hootness' and also if i see you on the tough streets of Manchester i will point with my unnaturally long left index finger, hop up and down, and shriek: "Hoot! Hoot! Hoot!" till i run out of energy and collapse and die, and people will later darkly intimate that you killed me with voodoo, which will however only increase your kudos.
That bus ad is as arrogant as anything any religion has done in recent years, what is the difference i ask, certain 'raging atheist' friends of mine are no different to jehovah's witness in their evangelist approach. Can't we all just believe what we want to believe?
I'm not in favor of proselytary secularism, but the Catholics should be the last to complain about attacks on other people's religion. Athiesm is an attack on all religions to the same extent that all religions are attacks on all other religions. Deal with it.
Here's what the great Roger Scruton has to say about the tone of argument from Militant Atheists: -
"There are two reasons why people start shouting at their opponents: one is that they think the opponent is so strong that every weapon must be used against him; the other is that they think their own case so weak that it has to be fortified by noise."
In the US, Dunkin' Donuts uses that same fuschia- and orange-colored lettering to market America's favorite coffee. They have a video that begins with the sentence, "You want to get your coffee from place that knows coffee better than anyone else."
The Starbucks Shared Planet video, begins with the words, "We've always believed in a better cup of coffee." Surfing the Starbucks green site, we see that they partner with Earthwatch, something God would do, and serve "ethically traded coffee." They are losing business, however, to Dunkin's Donuts, who isn't worried about such matters.
And now we have atheists with marketing claims that they know more than anyone else, versus the religious, who have "always believed." The knowledge campaigns beat out the belief campaigns. People hunger for knowledge, not belief.
It's all about the marketing, and that begins with fuschia and orange letters on busses, calling out to people on the go, filled with workaday stress, who want to to "stop worrying and enjoy life," with a good cup of coffee.
I think you can keep your pity. A whingeing old archbishop is hardly "trouble" (especially if he's as reactionary as the average Catholic bishop in Spain seems to be).
It sounds like they have managed to create the controversy they were after.
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18 Comments:
At January 07, 2009 1:53 PM,
Nige said…
Javier is right of course - it is an attack on all religions. I look forward to the entire campaign being abandoned with maximum ignominy at the first whiff of a complaint from the 'Muslim community'. Islam - a religion with clout.
At January 07, 2009 3:39 PM,
ian russell said…
he's not slow that Javier. a good job he wasn't in Fawlty Towers...
At January 07, 2009 4:09 PM,
malty said…
Someone nicked my mobile in Las Ramblas, thieving dago atheist bastards.
At January 07, 2009 5:00 PM,
Bar Room Brawl said…
Why the pity? Unless you agree that the Catholic church in Spain should be able to censor free speech, doesn't it just expose how much power they still wield in a supposedly secular and multi-faith society? Why should anyone who believes in fantasies such as a virgin birth be able to dictate what others can or can't say?
At January 07, 2009 8:46 PM,
James Higham said…
Most appropriate response.
At January 08, 2009 10:27 AM,
elberry said…
i wish they'd just explain why i should enjoy life - that makes no sense to me at all. Damn atheists.
Your word verification today is HOOTNESS. From now on i shall refer to Mr Appleyard as 'his Hootness' and also if i see you on the tough streets of Manchester i will point with my unnaturally long left index finger, hop up and down, and shriek: "Hoot! Hoot! Hoot!" till i run out of energy and collapse and die, and people will later darkly intimate that you killed me with voodoo, which will however only increase your kudos.
At January 08, 2009 11:17 AM,
Michael said…
That bus ad is as arrogant as anything any religion has done in recent years, what is the difference i ask, certain 'raging atheist' friends of mine are no different to jehovah's witness in their evangelist approach. Can't we all just believe what we want to believe?
At January 08, 2009 12:47 PM,
ian russell said…
it isn't about believing, it's about thinking. as different as solid is to fluid.
At January 08, 2009 3:12 PM,
Duck said…
I'm not in favor of proselytary secularism, but the Catholics should be the last to complain about attacks on other people's religion. Athiesm is an attack on all religions to the same extent that all religions are attacks on all other religions. Deal with it.
At January 08, 2009 3:37 PM,
Duck said…
I would argue that the statement "religion is not about beliefs" is an attack on all religions.
At January 09, 2009 9:54 AM,
MIchael said…
Very interesting statement Ian.
From a macroscopic point of view solids and fluids are indeed very different, but not so at the microscopic level!
At January 09, 2009 10:50 AM,
monkeyboyblue said…
Here's what the great Roger Scruton has to say about the tone of argument from Militant Atheists: -
"There are two reasons why people start shouting at their opponents: one is that they think the opponent is so strong that every weapon must be used against him; the other is that they think their own case so weak that it has to be fortified by noise."
Discuss.
At January 09, 2009 11:02 AM,
Brit said…
Well I'm still waiting for an answer to Paddy's Question:
Why is Mediterranean Catholicism, with its legacy of Jesuitical rigour, underestimated by the Brits?
At January 09, 2009 12:18 PM,
Nige said…
I see that back in Blighty there's been a Christian complaint (of a kind). Come on Muslims - what's keeping you?
At January 09, 2009 12:32 PM,
Anonymous said…
Isn't everyone allowed a little nonsense now and then?
At January 11, 2009 2:28 PM,
Rus Bowden said…
In the US, Dunkin' Donuts uses that same fuschia- and orange-colored lettering to market America's favorite coffee. They have a video that begins with the sentence, "You want to get your coffee from place that knows coffee better than anyone else."
The Starbucks Shared Planet video, begins with the words, "We've always believed in a better cup of coffee." Surfing the Starbucks green site, we see that they partner with Earthwatch, something God would do, and serve "ethically traded coffee." They are losing business, however, to Dunkin's Donuts, who isn't worried about such matters.
And now we have atheists with marketing claims that they know more than anyone else, versus the religious, who have "always believed." The knowledge campaigns beat out the belief campaigns. People hunger for knowledge, not belief.
It's all about the marketing, and that begins with fuschia and orange letters on busses, calling out to people on the go, filled with workaday stress, who want to to "stop worrying and enjoy life," with a good cup of coffee.
Yours,
Rus
At January 13, 2009 5:16 PM,
Gablodian said…
I think you can keep your pity. A whingeing old archbishop is hardly "trouble" (especially if he's as reactionary as the average Catholic bishop in Spain seems to be).
It sounds like they have managed to create the controversy they were after.
At January 28, 2010 2:01 PM,
Fawlty Towers Episodes said…
damn atheists, full of complete nonsense
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